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how you doing everybody special day

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today Jason how you feeling I'm I'm

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feeling good it's another Sunday that we

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get to talk about UAP so I'm feeling

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great today we've got a guy who's been

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in the news a lot we've come up with a

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new movie a moment of contact we're

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talking about James Fox he's been on a

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lot of different uh programs lately

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discussing the movie but we wanted to

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make our episode a little different ask

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him different questions that he hasn't

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already answered a hundred times already

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and get to know a little almost a little

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behind the scenes stuff about him and uh

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hopefully he'll drop us a couple nuggets

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he hasn't discussed in anybody else's

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show we have a good record for that we

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seem to get these people loose and happy

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and they tell us cool stuff so very

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excited to have Mr James Fox on the show

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today we'll be right back and let's kick

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this in the head let's do this

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[Music]

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast I am Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good buddy Jason

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Gail Matt hey it's a great Sunday isn't

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it we get to talk uaps with James Fox

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today so how awesome is that absolutely

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and I know he's been in a few shows

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already discussing his movie moment of

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contact but as we do with most of our

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guests we want to get to know the person

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this isn't just about one particular

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film this guy's been doing this for a

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long time and put out some other

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brilliant work and now with moment of

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contact a lot of people it's opening

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their eyes but we want to get to know a

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little bit about who is James Fox as

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well as the movie itself and uh you know

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we all have questions and uh want you

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know comments about it so we're very

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excited to announce and uh welcome to

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the show our good friend Mr James Fox

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thank you gentlemen for having me on and

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I I kind of feel like it was a great

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intro I I need to know about more about

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myself like who who am I sure isn't that

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what this is all about right we're all

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asking the big questions who am I why am

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I whatever where am I going this is

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therapy for a lot of people I had a

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friend of mine who's one of my best

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friends who was just out visiting I'm I

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live in Vermont now

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and uh I kept saying you want to come

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out and see me you know and anyway he

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finally just came out a couple of weeks

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ago but he was describing this time in

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his early 20s where he took acid at like

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a Grateful Dead uh concert and uh long

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story short he got apprehended by the

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police he was like 19 years old

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yeah probably yeah he's probably like 18

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19 and they were like who are you and he

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I don't know believe me you don't know

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what's your name I I don't know

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and then where do you live I I don't I

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don't know and he said to me James do

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like digging this guy in it he doesn't

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know yet where he lives genuinely

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doesn't know like he cannot remember

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yeah it must be must be frustrating to

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be a cop when you're dealing with

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somebody like that right just oh my God

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you know what just let him loose in the

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field that's it that's going to take

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oh my God oh my God no sorted cell phone

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I'm sure so with the um you know the

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phenomenon we always talk about uh you

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know what gets somebody hooked on you

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know especially the subject of uap's

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subjective you know abduction because

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all that leads to more and more research

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the more you look into something the

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more uh this phenomenon seems to grow

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and get bigger and bigger uh what Drew

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you your attention to the the phenomenon

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of uaps and you know wanting to do

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documentaries in the first place I've

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I can't believe I I'm saying this but

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it's been nearly 30 years since I

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embarked on this journey and when I

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started looking into the phenomenon UFOs

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uaps I I honestly believed in my heart

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that I was going to uncover through

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inter interviews with military and

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government officials and and civilian

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Earth has got periodic visitation uh

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extraterrestrial visitation maybe

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interplanetary and for whatever we for

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whatever reasons the government's

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covering this up

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and uh and I'd move on to another topic

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well The more I've learned and I've been

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all around the world I'm not trying to

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toot my own horn but I've investigated I

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mean the cases that I know I know very

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well because I personally went to

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location met the witnesses and all that

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um the more I realized just how complex

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of a of a story this is it's um

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you I feel like I know less today than I

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did when I started yeah that the truth

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ain't that the truth yeah and people go

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well where you know like I've got this

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film out now a moment of contact about

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an alleged crash UFO crash in Brazil in

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1996 and I didn't believe the story when

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I first heard about it I was actually

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making out of the blue

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uh my second film on the topic in the

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late 90s when I heard about it from a

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co-producer and I was like there's no

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way come on you know

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um but anyway people ask me questions

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like where do you think can you

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speculate for a moment and tell me where

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these beans that got captured where were

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haven't got a clue where they're from

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you know what I mean so uh you know just

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because you report on an event and you

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believe that that event happened I mean

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life I didn't believe there was a UFO

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crash I mean it didn't like start off

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believing it but

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I meant enough eyewitness testimony that

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um convinced me that there's an

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extraordinary event like that took place

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but I mean that just opens up Pandora's

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boxes so many

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so many questions that I just don't have

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answers to and I I hope someday like I

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don't know what happened once apparently

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you know we have the flight control

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officer seeing the United States Air

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which is where all this debris ended up

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um but what happened after that and once

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States airplane United States Air Force

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plane left Brazil I have no idea what

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happened where it landed in the United

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what they did with these creatures right

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yeah where they took across your base so

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ongoing story that I'm going to have to

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keep looking into I'm going to start

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knocking on doors in the United States

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true though like you're getting told of

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this and you're like wait a minute so

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there's a legitimate crash with multiple

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around a couple blocks away with

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multiple Witnesses then the military

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captured it again multiple people

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involved there somebody died as a result

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of contact how does nobody know about

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this it must be [\h__\h] you know like

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absolutely you're not gonna risk your

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reputation on something if it's going to

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be a career render but you just seem to

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keep digging and you went it took you 11

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years to put this all together uh yeah

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probably I started in

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2011. so but you know if you consider

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the 2011 so yeah 11 12 years but what

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this case the Virginia case I intended

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to put in the phenomenon in fact I had

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edited a segment of it but it was there

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was so many moving parts

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so many different eyewitnesses there

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disappeared that we couldn't find like

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the crash with witness carlosa some of

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the military participants some of the

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doctors you know that weren't quite

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at the end of the day I just realized

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the into my film The phenomenon I cut it

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all out and I remember in the film

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coming out and I'd been to Virginia a

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bunch of times and a lot of work man

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contact my buddy Marco in Brazil who's

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been you know chasing this down with me

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for a lot longer than I've been involved

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and he's like oh I love the phenomenon

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but what happened to Virginia it wasn't

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in there I said Marco I think we're

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gonna have to do a standalone piece on

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this case because there's just there's

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too much to it to the story to cram it

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so that was the birth of moment of

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no brilliant film I was uh again I I had

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no idea of this case I'd like to think

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that I you know I know a few things

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about ufology a few cases like everybody

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else and then this came out it was like

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you know gut punch I was like oh I did

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not know about this story this is insane

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like if this is true this is like one of

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the most craziest stories of of you know

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UFO crash retrieval and entity ritual

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that there is uh out there like we hear

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a bit about Roswell but I mean it's all

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hearsay you know it's the same thing

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with this in this case but this case you

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got death uh from handling one of these

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entities you got multiple witnesses to

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the crash and they all mentioned similar

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things uh within the movie the smell of

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sulfur or ammonia uh everywhere that

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where these things went

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um that's crazy that's a repeatable

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details that from different people right

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when we interviewed military X

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um the guy that was from as a military

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base that allegedly drove this creature

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around and saw it in the hospital

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career but I'm looking at this guy in

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the eyes and I'm thinking

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my God if what this guy is saying is

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true and I believe it is we tracked him

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down he did not want to go on camera he

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had no intention he's been one of the

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most sought Witnesses for the last 26

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knowing that and knowing what it took to

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get him to go on camera and even with a

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disguised voice and filming him from the

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back of course we saw all the

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photographs of him at the base and you

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legit but I was just sitting there going

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this guy's walking around with a level

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of confirmation that pretty much hardly

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anyone on this planet has you know and I

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just kept looking at him I was like what

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is that what does that feel like you

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know just think about that for a moment

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think about it if it's true

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this guy handled a bloody alien you know

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a creature a being from another you know

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uh and then having to keep that secret

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from your own family from from everybody

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I mean that would weigh on you you know

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what I mean yeah and that just I don't

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know man that was a that was almost like

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a

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one of the most profound moments in my

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career was meeting this guy it was crazy

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it was like a scene out of a movie the

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way we set the whole thing up and there

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was so much going on behind the scenes

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that didn't make it in the film

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you know there's that and then

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the doc the doctor who took the x-rays

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of it in the black body bag

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there's something about that testimony

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that really just you know because

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this is like a personal Journey for me

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this is a personal Journey for my

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partner Marco leal's Brazilian guy

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um you know we're doing this on our own

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we just happen to be sharing you know

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the results of our investigations

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publicly with the rest of the world

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because we're documenting it right

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but I mean I'm fascinated I'm so curious

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and he's really curious

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um but you get those moments uh in your

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career only a handful in my lifetime I

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mean look there are a lot of very

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dramatic accounts that I've heard over

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the years but there's only a handful

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that's like

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wow I actually believe this person

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handled a bean from possibly another

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world you know and just think about the

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implications of that think about

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having to

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shoulder that

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burden not you know like

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at the end of the interviews with all

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these Witnesses

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they would like let out this huge sigh

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and look at them and they were like you

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know

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thank you so much for even though they

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were a nightmare trying to pin them down

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yeah and to convince them to come

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forward after they'd done it and gotten

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it off their chest and told the truth

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it was a very uh

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um calming moment for them a very

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healing moment for them as you can

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imagine I mean just put yourself in

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their shoes I'm not asking your audience

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to believe it happened or it didn't

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happen but if it did and you had to

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shoulder this

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you know you hear all the speculation

339
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that everybody talking about this and

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that and whether it's real it's not real

341
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and you know definitively that it is

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because you drove this thing around and

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then having to not to hide that from the

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world and then having the military

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contacting you every couple years just

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checking in how's the family kind of

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thing yeah you know just imagine that

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pressure

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you know I mean they all said it pretty

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much like ruined their lives

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because you can't let it go it's always

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there

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and it's just out of the blue too it's

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just a regular day for these people that

355
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doesn't seem and all of a sudden you get

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yeah you put an alien on your table and

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say take some X-rays of this like that's

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that's crazy I had a uh almost like a

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personal connection a little bit with

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those people and the reason being I

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family is Portuguese so I can understand

362
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Portuguese and speak it and Brazilian

363
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Portuguese is quite a bit different from

364
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Continental Portuguese but when you're

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reading captions of a movie like if you

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watched a movie made in China and

367
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they're speaking Chinese I'm literally

368
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getting all my info from the caption but

369
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when you understand the language and I

370
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watch these people's body language and

371
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not so much what they say but the choice

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of words they used to say it I believe

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them all those people you just mentioned

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like the guy who couldn't you know

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inspect his own x-ray uh images they

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took it away the military guy that is

377
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back to you military acts

378
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um the the girls you know that saw it

379
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um even like everybody that you

380
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interviewed and look at Carlos de Souza

381
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how emotional it was for him he's like

382
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it was here it was here he said a key

383
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like 50 times I know he must have

384
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thought he was crazy himself like I've

385
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been dreaming this maybe that should

386
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never happen and then when he goes back

387
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and he's like no no here here here he

388
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almost went crazy yeah and it was all

389
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that emotion coming out and and I

390
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believe those people I don't think they

391
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don't come from a very sophisticated

392
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part of the world they're not trained

393
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Liars these are people that come from

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communities where you tell your friends

395
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and family the truth and your name is

396
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all you have they're not gonna they're

397
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not gaining anything out of this they're

398
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not making not only that but we tracked

399
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we tracked them down

400
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right that's right you found so much

401
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time and so much convincing you know

402
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it's really weird I don't know how to

403
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describe this but but when Carlos to

404
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salza the uh uh the the crap the alleged

405
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crash witness that actually watched this

406
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cigar-shaped

407
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object is about the size of a school bus

408
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and uh no wings no tail no visible

409
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propulsion it had a gash in the back of

410
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it and had white smoke not like smoke

411
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from a fire he said it was it was like a

412
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white Vapor coming out the back side of

413
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it when when he actually saw it impact

414
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the ground and he came upon the debris

415
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field

416
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fast forward 26 years later

417
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when he when we finally found that site

418
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he was having this like

419
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just Purge of just some all these

420
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emotions bubbling to the surface

421
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and he leans back and I saw his eyes and

422
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it almost looked like I'd never seen

423
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anything like it it almost looked like

424
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film strips like it was like the whole

425
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event

426
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26 years earlier was was he was seeing

427
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:32,339
it in front of his eyes I don't know if

428
00:16:36,410 --> 00:16:34,079
you've ever had a really dramatic maybe

429
00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:36,420
a car accident or a I don't know any

430
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,800
kind of thing that's happened in your

431
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life where it's very kind of traumatic

432
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and um it's almost like a film strip in

433
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your mind you could watch it and I saw

434
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that in his eyes when when he got to the

435
00:16:54,290 --> 00:16:50,839
site and it was like wow man this guy is

436
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reliving that experience yeah and uh it

437
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was very very very very emotional for

438
00:17:03,110 --> 00:16:59,639
him and all the laughter and ridicule

439
00:17:04,510 --> 00:17:03,120
and yeah and then the threats yeah um

440
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:04,520
you know

441
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:06,959
pretty pretty pretty compelling stuff

442
00:17:12,289 --> 00:17:10,559
man yeah I I I would just love you know

443
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,299
and we'll see look the film's only been

444
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:13,919
out for a couple of weeks like two a

445
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:16,559
little over two weeks so

446
00:17:22,189 --> 00:17:20,400
um I have a sneaky suspicion after some

447
00:17:25,250 --> 00:17:22,199
time there will be some Americans coming

448
00:17:27,770 --> 00:17:25,260
forward uh admitting involvement with

449
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,780
this case I I really feel that that's

450
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,480
that's coming good is that something

451
00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:32,640
that uh you expect people reaching out

452
00:17:36,529 --> 00:17:34,080
to you about that or just people

453
00:17:38,750 --> 00:17:36,539
reaching out just in the community at

454
00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:38,760
large you know people are gonna people

455
00:17:43,010 --> 00:17:41,220
are gonna see the the film and

456
00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:43,020
um there's a push for further government

457
00:17:48,890 --> 00:17:45,660
transparency happening and

458
00:17:50,750 --> 00:17:48,900
um there has been some Rumblings of uh

459
00:17:52,909 --> 00:17:50,760
the government's talking about Crash

460
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retrievals kind of thing and I think

461
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,020
there's going to be more of that and

462
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that coupled with uh you know because

463
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the the the trail goes cold once it

464
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:01,380
comes when the plane took off the United

465
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States but I'm I don't know I've been

466
00:18:08,810 --> 00:18:06,000
feeling rather optimistic that we're

467
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going to get uh some witnesses in the

468
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United States and some additional

469
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Witnesses in in Brazil a lot of the

470
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senior military officials are retired

471
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now Olympia

472
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Olympia and um General Lima those guys I

473
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think just retired and this film is just

474
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starting to take off across Brazil

475
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um so yeah we'll see

476
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we'll see I think it's going to be an

477
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interesting ride does the part I need

478
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you to clarify for me because I wasn't

479
00:18:37,789 --> 00:18:36,299
too sure on this and uh it's just the

480
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part where there's a craft that seemed

481
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to be like it was scanning the area

482
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that's not the same craft that crashed

483
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is it

484
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okay so that was a separate craft

485
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actually I was right we debated this

486
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before you logged on I said no man I'm

487
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pretty sure that was like a uh like a

488
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search and rescue

489
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crafting pattern looking for its people

490
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you know so you guys we had one of the

491
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we I edit

492
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um what I do is I edit

493
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all the scenes of the film like whether

494
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the crash site scene or the

495
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transportation scene or man on Street

496
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Scene or you know so I edit all these

497
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individually and then I put all the

498
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pieces of the puzzle you know get them

499
00:19:25,010 --> 00:19:23,880
all done and I then I write them down

500
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and I kind of Shuffle it all together

501
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:27,120
and we're in the edit room editing that

502
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family

503
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and I had taken a drone to all the shots

504
00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:34,080
all I fly drone and I get aerial

505
00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:35,400
photography of all the different

506
00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:37,500
locations it's just nice to have an

507
00:19:41,150 --> 00:19:39,960
aerial perspective and

508
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um

509
00:19:45,529 --> 00:19:43,140
we're in the edit room

510
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and we're listening to the family and

511
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this is a family that did not want to go

512
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on camera they had agreed to meet with

513
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us they they were friends with the

514
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doctors that we were renting our our

515
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Airbnb house in Virginia because he had

516
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a big crew and all this camera gear and

517
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and they were like oh our fan our

518
00:20:01,190 --> 00:20:00,660
friends or fellow doctors they

519
00:20:03,049 --> 00:20:01,200
um

520
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:03,059
they have an incredible story to share

521
00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:04,799
about you know long story short we go to

522
00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:07,260
their house they're like whoa we said

523
00:20:10,190 --> 00:20:08,520
we'd meet with you guys we didn't say

524
00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:10,200
we'd go on camera you know we don't want

525
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,280
to and so ultimately we got them to go

526
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,080
on camera and and talk about what they

527
00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:18,000
saw but they kept saying like yeah this

528
00:20:20,029 --> 00:20:19,260
craft was looking for something I was

529
00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:20,039
like what do you mean looking for

530
00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:21,480
something it's like we watched it for 15

531
00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:23,160
minutes it was going back and forth

532
00:20:28,370 --> 00:20:24,900
doing a grid search

533
00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:28,380
so I'm like well we know their house is

534
00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:30,900
near where the girls saw the the

535
00:20:34,730 --> 00:20:32,820
creature and also that'd be kind of near

536
00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:34,740
where the capture took place with Marco

537
00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:37,559
chorizi so I'm like looking at the Dr so

538
00:20:41,090 --> 00:20:40,200
my buddy goes hang on man let's go I'm

539
00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:41,100
gonna go back and look at some of the

540
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:43,140
Drone footage so we we have one shot

541
00:20:48,409 --> 00:20:46,559
from the Drone I get a really high shot

542
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,419
looking like you know looking straight

543
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,360
down on all these scenes right and then

544
00:20:55,130 --> 00:20:53,280
I panned the camera up and there's the

545
00:20:57,890 --> 00:20:55,140
house of the family

546
00:21:00,169 --> 00:20:57,900
three blocks four blocks away five

547
00:21:02,990 --> 00:21:00,179
blocks something like this away from

548
00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:03,000
where you know the encounter with the

549
00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:04,380
girls had happened where the military

550
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:07,559
blockade had was set up from the alleged

551
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,400
capture Point all within blocks okay

552
00:21:15,169 --> 00:21:12,960
and I'm like

553
00:21:18,049 --> 00:21:15,179
guy says it's like 11 o'clock at night

554
00:21:19,789 --> 00:21:18,059
we know the girls saw the creature at

555
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,799
three to three Thirty then we had the

556
00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:22,320
capture at five to five thirty we had

557
00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:25,140
the blockade around 3 15.

558
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,520
we're like

559
00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:29,039
this is 10 o'clock at night

560
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:31,799
this is a rescue mission yeah I mean I

561
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,559
had like chills we all were going oh my

562
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,960
God they were looking for their for

563
00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:39,360
their folks leaving I know it sounds

564
00:21:44,029 --> 00:21:41,820
crazy but what the hell and the guy was

565
00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:44,039
sitting there going the whole family

566
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:47,940
saw this thing for 15 to 20 minutes they

567
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,400
said it was so low it was right flying

568
00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:53,520
over and it was going back and forth and

569
00:21:59,090 --> 00:21:57,000
back and forth like grid pattern for 15

570
00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:59,100
or 20 minutes do you know how long of a

571
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:01,620
sighting that is yeah yeah most people

572
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:04,200
that see a UFOs for a few seconds for 15

573
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:07,620
or 20 minutes try like imagine that

574
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,080
yes that those Witnesses I don't think

575
00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:12,000
people realize the significance of that

576
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:14,340
and somehow we didn't quite convey that

577
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:15,960
accurately enough in the film because

578
00:22:20,029 --> 00:22:18,600
most people miss that they're like oh it

579
00:22:21,710 --> 00:22:20,039
was that the UFO that crashed it's like

580
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,720
no that those guys are on the rescue

581
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,760
mission and they said that people from

582
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:25,440
NASA and stuff came out after the fact

583
00:22:28,669 --> 00:22:26,940
right they had people come to talk to

584
00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:28,679
them and strangers and different

585
00:22:33,289 --> 00:22:31,620
uniforms cars and how the hell and how

586
00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:33,299
the hell did those guys know that they

587
00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:35,460
were Witnesses yeah yeah because they

588
00:22:39,890 --> 00:22:37,799
didn't talk about it to anybody yeah

589
00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:39,900
kind of weird and then the people they

590
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:42,120
did talk to mocked them and and made

591
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:43,980
radical of them and didn't take it

592
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:46,140
seriously by the sounds of it like they

593
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,299
were they were you know some media

594
00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:50,880
coverage about it but it wasn't uh as

595
00:22:54,370 --> 00:22:52,500
big a news as it should have been right

596
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:54,380
that should have been yeah

597
00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:58,080
I contacted a guy

598
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:00,780
Matt Moffett I believe his name was who

599
00:23:04,669 --> 00:23:02,940
wrote an article in 1996 in the Wall

600
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:04,679
Street Journal

601
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,140
and it was something like uh the

602
00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:09,840
headline was something like um

603
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:12,419
you know stinky aliens need a shower or

604
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,520
something it's just totally silly right

605
00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:16,080
and

606
00:23:21,169 --> 00:23:19,260
press that it got in the United States

607
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,179
it didn't make press in other parts of

608
00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:23,280
the world but you know the military came

609
00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:24,900
forward and said oh the girls saw like a

610
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,780
homeless man and that was like the rain

611
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,000
and it was like a weird [\h__\h] that was

612
00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:32,159
homeless I mean it was just like oh my

613
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:34,440
God so

614
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:38,640
um but it's it's funny you know if you

615
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,200
just go to the Downtown Plaza in

616
00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:41,760
Virginia Brazil and you said it like we

617
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,700
did we set up for a couple of hours

618
00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:46,080
you'd be amazed at how many people

619
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:48,600
either know someone or had direct or

620
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:50,760
indirect experience about this this case

621
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:53,280
because it was you know it was 1996 it's

622
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:55,320
not like Roswell that was in the late

623
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:57,780
40s you know yeah yeah and I did some

624
00:24:02,330 --> 00:23:59,100
research and it's actually in your film

625
00:24:04,669 --> 00:24:02,340
as well just some similar events that

626
00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:04,679
happen uh in Brazil with this type of

627
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,320
thing so in 1957 you had I think it's

628
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,360
ubatubas how they pronounce it and

629
00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:12,240
somebody recovered like alien magnesium

630
00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:13,980
you know like artifacts from a crash

631
00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:16,380
site and then in 68 in Lynn's Brazil

632
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:18,659
there was a disc Shake craft uh and an

633
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,179
E.T pilot and when they took off the

634
00:24:24,649 --> 00:24:22,799
lights of the city like were

635
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,659
extinguished whatever it did it didn't

636
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,880
just fry a cell phone it took out the

637
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:28,799
city lights and then you have collaras

638
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:31,679
at 77 which I initially confused this

639
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:34,260
for I thought it was killaris but when I

640
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:35,820
watched the movie I'm like oh no this is

641
00:24:38,830 --> 00:24:37,380
actually I was like Jason I've never

642
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,840
actually heard of Virginia

643
00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:42,000
but not unfamiliar with Brazilian you

644
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:44,340
know incidents and then 86 in Sao Paulo

645
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:46,620
they had the Knight of UFOs so there was

646
00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:49,500
like 12 UFOs chased by military jets and

647
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:51,480
the Air Force actually acknowledged it

648
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:53,580
which I thought was very interesting in

649
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,940
in 1986 yeah they admitted it in 1986

650
00:25:00,830 --> 00:24:59,039
yeah that's right huge press conference

651
00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:00,840
which we feature in the movie where the

652
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:02,220
Air Force pilots are talking about it

653
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:04,200
openly they they released the cockpit

654
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:07,380
recordings like the radar like wow yeah

655
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:08,760
that doesn't happen in the states right

656
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:10,200
the Air Force doesn't say [\h__\h] about

657
00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:11,820
this is more than Navy than anything I

658
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:13,380
know the Air Force yeah I know they're

659
00:25:18,409 --> 00:25:15,419
they've been suspiciously quiet haven't

660
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:18,419
they yeah for a long time yeah and then

661
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:22,140
you got 95 in Rio 96 98 like it

662
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:24,299
basically this just seems to happen more

663
00:25:27,649 --> 00:25:25,860
and more and more or people got more

664
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,659
technology you know Palm quarters and

665
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:29,820
that kind of thing easier to capture all

666
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,320
of a sudden who knows you know there's

667
00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:34,799
there's footage that we show in the film

668
00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:39,059
I want to say it's from 97 or 98 of a

669
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:40,860
disc and a little you hear a little boy

670
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:43,740
go yeah look at the disc bomb like this

671
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,419
looks like Saturn you could see the ring

672
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:47,039
and everything pretty pretty damn good

673
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,360
footage man that's that's pretty

674
00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:50,880
impressive stuff yeah yeah that was shot

675
00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:53,100
by I think an 11 year old

676
00:25:57,409 --> 00:25:55,020
that's probably on those old Handycam

677
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:57,419
things with a full VHS tape you know it

678
00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:00,659
yeah you know it yeah exactly 19. but if

679
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,520
you were gonna fake that because of the

680
00:26:06,529 --> 00:26:04,559
fact that it's actual film media it

681
00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:06,539
would be quite a bit harder digitally

682
00:26:10,029 --> 00:26:08,220
you could play with things but with old

683
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:10,039
film

684
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,940
thought I was it was it was faked it was

685
00:26:20,570 --> 00:26:16,799
you know it's

686
00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:20,580
you know I really hope that this is the

687
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:22,460
first step

688
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:25,080
in uh

689
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,679
taking this case seriously and reopening

690
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:30,960
investigations

691
00:26:33,769 --> 00:26:32,520
um and encouraging more people to come

692
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,779
forward you know what I mean like I

693
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,279
can't do it all and I've had people

694
00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,679
criticize me you know I try not to read

695
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,779
the comments but sometimes you do it's

696
00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:41,460
like oh this is just another you know

697
00:26:46,990 --> 00:26:44,760
Fox fantasy of just you know people

698
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:47,000
talking it's like

699
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:50,640
you know uh well don't attack me like

700
00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:53,400
like you know if you want to like

701
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,080
criticize the witness the first-hand

702
00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:57,179
witnesses you know I guess okay go ahead

703
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:58,980
but I'm just reporting on it you know

704
00:27:02,269 --> 00:27:00,120
I'm not joining the definitive

705
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,279
conclusions but I'm really hoping that

706
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:05,100
in other words this film is not the end

707
00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:07,620
all be all end-all piece on this case

708
00:27:12,169 --> 00:27:10,020
this is like trying to catapult this

709
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,179
case up into the Limelight and and hope

710
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,679
that there are further investigations

711
00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:16,320
and further documentaries and additional

712
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:18,299
eyewitnesses coming forward

713
00:27:22,690 --> 00:27:20,100
and I'd love to make the connection with

714
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,700
America and and um

715
00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:25,200
obviously the Holy Grail would be a

716
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,539
photograph of the being I mean duh yeah

717
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:30,000
someone's got it you know they do oh no

718
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,520
I believe me I know more that I know a

719
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:35,520
lot about that yeah you think that's

720
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:37,320
something find something just because

721
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,419
you find something it doesn't mean you

722
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:40,799
can get your hands on it that's right

723
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:42,779
that's true yeah is that something you

724
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:44,520
think in the future you'll be able to

725
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,400
get your hands on or is it like Out Of

726
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:49,679
Reach at this point no I think that it

727
00:27:52,909 --> 00:27:51,539
will come out at some point yeah whether

728
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:52,919
that's sooner or later

729
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:55,559
I think so let's hope I think this is my

730
00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:57,179
guess and you don't have to say yay your

731
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,159
name but I think you know people that

732
00:28:02,810 --> 00:28:01,200
have seen it but they just can't get

733
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:02,820
their hands on it or get those people

734
00:28:08,029 --> 00:28:05,580
willing to share but I think you know

735
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:08,039
some credible people that may have seen

736
00:28:12,110 --> 00:28:09,900
it firsthand that's just my guess

737
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:12,120
I think you're you're a good guesser

738
00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:15,320
good good I'm warm

739
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:18,659
you're warm it's warm don't no you don't

740
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:21,059
know so if you had no idea no one ever

741
00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:23,100
told you it would just be more like yeah

742
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:24,900
I really hope so gee you think there

743
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,179
would be but if you're if you're saying

744
00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:28,799
something like you know I think there's

745
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:30,600
a good chance but it doesn't mean you

746
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:32,220
can always get your hands on it it's

747
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:34,260
because you know or have a good idea

748
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:37,080
that's just my we have a very very

749
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,159
beyond good idea yeah good yeah so James

750
00:28:44,649 --> 00:28:43,200
you gotta have part two with something

751
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:44,659
right

752
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,240
director's cut director's cut and James

753
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,919
you've been doing a lot of press as of

754
00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:51,360
late because of this movie obviously

755
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:52,860
when a movie comes out there's a lot of

756
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,380
press involved uh this being one of them

757
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,320
as well for the podcast but uh have you

758
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,240
found the press to have changed their

759
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:02,159
tune like we were talking before we got

760
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:04,919
on uh the podcast before we we hit uh

761
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:07,020
record about

762
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,179
um being on CNN and how they had taken

763
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:11,820
the subject actually quite seriously for

764
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:13,740
once as opposed to playing the cheesy

765
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,240
music that they normally do with the

766
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,279
graphics like that we've seen in the

767
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:20,279
past so have you seen a change in the

768
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:22,260
way the media has approached you yeah

769
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:24,539
and I I yes to answer your question I

770
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:27,299
have seen a change and I I have believe

771
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:29,100
it or not you know I've been on you know

772
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:32,220
Fox and MSNBC and CNN and and

773
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:33,720
um

774
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:40,620
change primarily since 2017 after the

775
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:42,179
New York Times article came out

776
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:45,000
revealing atip that Secret Pentagon UFO

777
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:46,440
program

778
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:47,279
um

779
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:50,279
and I actually went on like a CNN show

780
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,440
last year and they had you know some of

781
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:54,480
those cheesy graphics and I was like

782
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,419
seriously and I made a comment to them I

783
00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:59,039
was like hey it wasn't like hyper

784
00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:01,740
critical I wasn't like you know

785
00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:04,740
shame on you I just said hey um thanks

786
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:06,980
so much for having me on

787
00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:10,140
uh the next time perhaps we could do uh

788
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:11,640
something more you know a little more

789
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:14,940
serious uh uh consistent with the times

790
00:30:19,149 --> 00:30:16,380
you know we just had Congressional

791
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:19,159
hearings and we're having all these uh

792
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:21,299
high-level military and government

793
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,299
officials uh basically admitting uh

794
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:26,640
publicly that these things are real

795
00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:29,279
and that that they deserve further

796
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,520
scientific investigation yada yada and

797
00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:33,600
so uh

798
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:35,460
they they were like okay you know it

799
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,600
kind of gave me a you know kind of a

800
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:37,919
thumbs up and then about a year later

801
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:39,419
they had me on again and there was none

802
00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:42,360
of that cheesy music and spooky graphics

803
00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:43,799
and you know they they'll have like a

804
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:46,200
little saucer with the sound with it

805
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:47,760
flying off in the distance then you know

806
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:50,039
you're on and so that was refreshing

807
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:53,820
very very refreshing and um I think that

808
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:57,240
uh yeah I think they're realizing that

809
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,520
um that those days of sort of ridicule

810
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:02,159
and stuff Green Smoke yeah I think

811
00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:04,200
that's a thing of the past

812
00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:06,059
we're like I mentioned before in a few

813
00:31:09,889 --> 00:31:07,620
other podcasts we still have a problem

814
00:31:11,389 --> 00:31:09,899
with that in Canada when they're not

815
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:11,399
taking it as seriously as they should

816
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:13,080
and then when they do they have the

817
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:15,720
cheesy graphics and uh you know the

818
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:19,320
sound effects and on a lighter note you

819
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,940
know I kind of play this segment what

820
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:22,799
they would normally play a puppy or a

821
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:24,419
chimpanzee playing with a cat or

822
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:25,620
something like that at the end of the

823
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,480
show they normally plug that away for

824
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:29,640
the UFO nuts you know on the night or on

825
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:31,260
a lighter note some people have seen

826
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,899
some lights in the sky to me it's not a

827
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:36,120
lighter note it's the most serious Topic

828
00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:38,340
in human history is whether or not we're

829
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:39,539
alone or whether or not we're being

830
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:41,880
visitated by somebody from another

831
00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:45,059
galaxy or from an interdimensional or

832
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,919
extra-term pastoral like there's so many

833
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:48,720
different variations and theories out

834
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,299
there now but Canada's still behind the

835
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,799
times and even though that we're seeing

836
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:54,960
CNN taking it seriously we're seeing you

837
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,140
on multiple different platforms we still

838
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,760
don't cover it as well as we should this

839
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:01,919
side of the Border we have five official

840
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,240
coins I think we're going on six

841
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:06,360
official coins that from like UFO events

842
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,100
have actually taken place in Canada that

843
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:09,600
are recognized by the government of

844
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:11,700
Canada yeah but yeah what about what

845
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:13,500
about Falcon Lake I love that case yeah

846
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:15,720
that is a coin that's a coin shag Harbor

847
00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:18,960
as well yeah dag Harbor yeah yeah we've

848
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:21,299
had some good cases where are you guys I

849
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,580
think Falcon Lake is fascinating yeah

850
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:25,320
because that guy wasn't he like a

851
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:27,899
geologist or something or uh yeah he's

852
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:29,700
working on rocks and stuff like that he

853
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:31,620
brought out some artwork and he was just

854
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:33,779
doing some web whatever that they

855
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,299
painted around multiple languages he was

856
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,880
trying to speak like Russian and all

857
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,559
these different languages to because he

858
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:42,720
said he could hear them talking

859
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:44,460
yeah and then when he approached it

860
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:46,140
there's some sort of grill that was on

861
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,120
the side and that

862
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,760
didn't he put his head inside or I'm not

863
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:52,440
sure if he actually got to Peak inside I

864
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,820
think he said that there was a door that

865
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,159
was open and when he approached it it

866
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:58,799
closed okay what was his name Stefan

867
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:01,620
something uh I'm gonna the listeners are

868
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:03,720
gonna kill me for not knowing this uh

869
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:05,880
but yeah it's seven Falcon Lake right

870
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,820
yeah yeah yeah we had Grand Cameron on a

871
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:09,840
couple weeks ago and he was talking

872
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,419
about Charlie Red Star which was in

873
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:14,159
Manitoba and I think what was it North

874
00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:16,679
Dakota or something yeah uh right above

875
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:18,600
the well right beside the border of the

876
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:19,860
United States where they kept the

877
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,980
nuclear arms uh weapons yeah but and it

878
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,659
was repeatable because he heard about it

879
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:25,919
and you know him and his buddies were

880
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:27,659
bored one day driving around too young

881
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:29,159
to drink or go to the bar so they're

882
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,779
like oh let's drive across the border

883
00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:32,880
and go to where this thing apparently is

884
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:35,820
and sure enough it was red you know orbs

885
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:37,559
and then they saw a craft on the ground

886
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:40,019
taken off and playing with them happened

887
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,580
a couple of times over and over so

888
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:42,720
repeatable

889
00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:44,220
you guys

890
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:47,340
uh I'm trying to think of the the name

891
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:48,720
of the gentleman I mean we went back to

892
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:51,140
the drawing board with the phenomenon

893
00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:53,340
after I'd met

894
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:55,980
uh again I have to acknowledge George

895
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:57,720
Knapp for this George Knapp set this

896
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,100
whole thing up where I got to meet with

897
00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:00,720
Senator Harry Reid was a former Senate

898
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:03,659
Majority Leader uh one of the I don't

899
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:05,640
know third fourth most powerful man in

900
00:34:11,389 --> 00:34:07,980
the in the United States at one point in

901
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:11,399
any case uh Senator Reid

902
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:13,379
said to me while we were doing sort of

903
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:16,200
walk and talk like a b-roll shot I asked

904
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:17,220
him hey what was one of the more

905
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:19,139
astonishing aspects of the phenomenon

906
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:21,060
and that's when he said the Noose

907
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:22,740
shutting off our news

908
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:25,919
so I went back kind of the drawing board

909
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,820
and I included I contacted uh uh the guy

910
00:34:34,129 --> 00:34:31,919
that wrote the book on it I'll think of

911
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:34,139
his name in a second um but in any case

912
00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:37,139
uh we covered that whole segment in in

913
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:39,000
the phenomenon because of that meeting I

914
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:42,179
had with Senator Harry Reid and in the

915
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,260
process of investigating that that those

916
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:49,919
cases I Came Upon A researcher who was

917
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:52,080
Project sign archive

918
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:55,379
who had documented all these people in

919
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,619
the 80s and 90s thank god

920
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,520
um

921
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:02,880
and uh uh Tom something but in any case

922
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:06,140
he had this story from Minot

923
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,079
m-i-n-o-t Minot Air Force Base okay okay

924
00:35:14,569 --> 00:35:12,000
that hasn't come out yet

925
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:14,579
but they had like these and it's all on

926
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,140
tape

927
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:18,000
and at some point I want to do a story

928
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:21,480
with this guy because it is Tom tulian

929
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:25,500
is his name project sign archive and he

930
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:29,099
had gone thank God and documented all

931
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:31,320
these witnesses that were you know from

932
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:34,740
the 40s and 50s and 60s he started I

933
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,780
think in the 80s he went he had a really

934
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:38,640
nice camera like like a really top of

935
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:40,440
the line camera in the 80s professional

936
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:42,900
grade and a good sound you know

937
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:44,760
microphone and he went and you just like

938
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:46,440
got all these people on camera because

939
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:47,820
he knew they were all going to die out

940
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,260
no nothing was ever going to be done

941
00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:51,599
with it and he's got witnesses at Minot

942
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:53,240
Air Force Base from

943
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,480
1967. holy smokes you got these remote

944
00:36:02,270 --> 00:35:59,520
silos

945
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:02,280
and when they're when they're working on

946
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:04,980
these missiles at night they have like

947
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,740
one guy standing at the top they got The

948
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:09,599
Silo open and they got the engineer down

949
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,740
in there and the mechanic and he's

950
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:12,240
fixing these and maintaining whatever

951
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:14,220
he's doing but he's got a guy on guard

952
00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:16,200
at the top

953
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:20,040
and uh they're uh you know communicating

954
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,180
back and forth like two o'clock in the

955
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,700
morning and their arm guard is up top

956
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:25,440
while the other guys down in the silos

957
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,140
open and then there's another airplane I

958
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:30,240
think in the sky United States Air Force

959
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,920
airplane over Minot and uh a a a disc

960
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:37,920
lands like right off of the distance

961
00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:41,339
and um you got the testimony from the

962
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:43,500
pilots up top you got testimony I mean

963
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:46,260
from the uh two guys working on the

964
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:47,820
missile silo but just imagine like two

965
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:49,260
o'clock in the morning and all of a

966
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:51,180
sudden you've got a flying saucer come

967
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:53,820
down and land like you know it's one of

968
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,820
the it's it's it's it's very very little

969
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,560
known and people know about the Minot

970
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:00,240
Air Force Base but this testimony this

971
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:03,480
guy Tom tulian sitting on his I'm not

972
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:05,820
doing it justice because I I did not do

973
00:37:09,170 --> 00:37:07,320
all the research on it and he didn't

974
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:09,180
want to let it go to be included it's

975
00:37:14,089 --> 00:37:11,099
part of the the one of the many stories

976
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,099
that we did in the phenomenon but but at

977
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:16,079
some point that will come out and it is

978
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:19,500
absolutely staggering

979
00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:21,780
um you know I mean it's one yeah it's

980
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:24,599
you know it's it's it's it's phenomenal

981
00:37:29,810 --> 00:37:27,540
so we we had people in the past James

982
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:29,820
that didn't say anything and like Louie

983
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:31,980
mentioned many times if you were told to

984
00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:34,020
shut up you shut up like you didn't say

985
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:36,359
anything especially back in the you know

986
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,579
the 40s 50s 60s that was just the way it

987
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:40,079
was we didn't have social media

988
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:43,500
everybody was isolated but we're getting

989
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:45,540
that change now like you know with uh

990
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:47,940
everybody's got a cell phone on them at

991
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:49,500
all times I mean you're always within

992
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:51,780
two feet away from your cell phone uh

993
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:54,180
it's we're bound to capture something uh

994
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:55,500
somebody's bound to capture like even

995
00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:56,940
we're thinking about the Phoenix Lights

996
00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:59,940
uh you know incident something like that

997
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:01,380
happens again this time will be

998
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:03,540
irrefutable proof you'll have thousands

999
00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:06,180
of people with different angles that

1000
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:07,980
will have recorded uh you know something

1001
00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:11,099
like that are we more is it different

1002
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:13,079
generation now so we're all willing to

1003
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,700
talk about it as opposed to the

1004
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,680
generation before or is it just that

1005
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:18,599
we're having more incidences now more

1006
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,000
more comfortable talking about it as far

1007
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:22,560
as you're concerned

1008
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:25,619
well you know it's funny because I've

1009
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:27,540
thought about this a lot

1010
00:38:32,089 --> 00:38:30,660
and I actually asked the question to a

1011
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:32,099
couple people in the intelligence

1012
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:34,680
community and I said

1013
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:38,660
are things our sightings like uh

1014
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,339
intensifying is as the

1015
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,040
um are the number of sightings

1016
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:46,800
happening with higher frequency

1017
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,260
or is it the fact that we just have more

1018
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:51,720
sensors and we're detecting them better

1019
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:56,280
he said more frequency it's more often

1020
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:57,540
it's not just the fact that we have

1021
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:01,560
better sensors I thought okay

1022
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:03,660
um and then I thought

1023
00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:08,460
I wonder if there's a connection between

1024
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:12,140
our Consciousness our awareness of them

1025
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:14,339
if there is some kind of and I'm not

1026
00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:16,020
saying that there is I'm not saying that

1027
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,460
there isn't but I wonder if

1028
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:21,960
just our very knowledge of their

1029
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:25,260
presence would cause them

1030
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:31,010
[Music]

1031
00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:33,960
and and where is this all headed you

1032
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:36,540
know what I mean yeah and um it's

1033
00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:39,720
exciting it's a little spooky yeah but

1034
00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:42,540
but I you know I I mean I've I've always

1035
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,520
said that if I felt if they were here to

1036
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:45,839
destroy us we would have known that a

1037
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:46,980
long time ago it would have been just

1038
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:48,780
you know over with

1039
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,579
um I think it's kind of

1040
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:52,079
I don't know

1041
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:58,790
when we were trying to come up with a

1042
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,180
DOT with it with a name for the

1043
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:02,160
phenomenon

1044
00:40:07,849 --> 00:40:05,700
one of the titles that we toyed with we

1045
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:07,859
didn't ultimately like it but it was all

1046
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:09,780
of the above

1047
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:12,839
and the reason being is that the more I

1048
00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:16,800
learn about this elusive phenomenon uh

1049
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:19,380
the more I'm maybe kind of coming to the

1050
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:21,420
conclusion that

1051
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:23,820
which could be interdimensional it could

1052
00:40:29,089 --> 00:40:27,119
be interplanetary it could be time

1053
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,099
traveler it could be

1054
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:31,680
[\h__\h] man I mean why wouldn't it be why

1055
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:34,500
couldn't it be all of the above you know

1056
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,700
what I mean yeah and so uh I I look I'm

1057
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,079
not saying that it is or it isn't I know

1058
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:41,760
there's a lot of people that in the in

1059
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:43,140
the community that probably feel that

1060
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,720
I'm too conservative in my willingness

1061
00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:46,800
to

1062
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:49,560
make any assumptions or statements like

1063
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:51,660
that I just feel like I'm not I just I'm

1064
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:54,720
not I don't know I'd like to know but

1065
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:57,060
I'm inclined to think that why couldn't

1066
00:41:01,930 --> 00:40:59,579
it be all the above yes really awfully

1067
00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:01,940
Big Universe you know

1068
00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:04,500
Hal putoff wrote an article about that

1069
00:41:08,530 --> 00:41:06,420
call it the ultra-terrestrial where it's

1070
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,540
multiple theories it's not just

1071
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:11,280
extraterrestrial or interdimensional if

1072
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,599
you want to understand it you have to

1073
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,160
understand that it's all connected

1074
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,560
Poltergeist Cryptids you know the more

1075
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:18,720
down the rabbit hole you go the crazier

1076
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:21,240
it gets I mean the one thing that I

1077
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,200
remember

1078
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:24,900
uh talking with Jacques valet about

1079
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:27,720
is this you know what what what what

1080
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,540
they do know is that there appears to be

1081
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:33,060
this omnipresent intelligence

1082
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:35,220
that has the ability to sort of manifest

1083
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,780
itself yeah and like many different ways

1084
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:41,760
whether that be nuts and bolts or

1085
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:44,339
psychic do you know what I mean yeah so

1086
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:46,200
that seems to be kind of around us at

1087
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:47,640
all times and there seems to be a

1088
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,020
connection like I've talked to enough

1089
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:51,359
Witnesses from all around the world that

1090
00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:52,680
said

1091
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,119
um not all of them have this experience

1092
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:56,400
but a lot of them do where they had a

1093
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:57,900
immediate connection there was a some

1094
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:59,579
level of communication when they're just

1095
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,839
looking at a craft they're not even

1096
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,119
looking at a being that there's some

1097
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,800
kind of you know like I remember I

1098
00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:06,000
interviewed this guy but you mentioned

1099
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:09,540
the Phoenix Lights he was a um

1100
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:12,660
was it a Northwest or something airline

1101
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:14,520
pilot I'll think of I'll think of it in

1102
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:16,680
a second but um

1103
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:20,520
he um we get to the trig Johnson

1104
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:22,200
and uh

1105
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:24,300
we get to the end of the interview

1106
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,480
and he saw that big massive UFO in

1107
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:30,480
January 13th 1997. he said it was like

1108
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,760
dragon on the ground practically it was

1109
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:34,440
flying so low it was like it was gonna

1110
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:37,079
land and you could land an airplane it

1111
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:39,180
was absolutely massive like a floating

1112
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,020
city

1113
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:42,900
and uh and he had to get an interview

1114
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,079
and he goes oh there's something else

1115
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:48,000
and I said what Drake you know what is

1116
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,560
it you could tell triggers like a nuts

1117
00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:51,960
and bolts pragmatic he's an airline

1118
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:55,820
pilot you know that's you feel you know

1119
00:43:02,450 --> 00:42:59,280
about it I said no trick man please like

1120
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,460
what ah there's something else about the

1121
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:03,839
answer is

1122
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:07,500
and he just he knew how crazy it sounded

1123
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,660
and he just didn't want to say it

1124
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,880
but I just pried it out of him and I

1125
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:14,400
said Craig please just come on I'm not

1126
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,140
going to judge you what

1127
00:43:21,849 --> 00:43:19,140
and he goes ah son of a [\h__\h]

1128
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:21,859
the damn thing said something to me

1129
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:25,200
I said I said well what what did it say

1130
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,060
he goes oh God

1131
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:29,460
we we we're not here to harm you we

1132
00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:31,380
didn't come to we're not we're here in

1133
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:32,579
peace we're not here to harm something

1134
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:33,960
like this

1135
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:36,300
like not like we literally we come in

1136
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:37,859
peace but we're not here to do you any

1137
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:39,240
harm or something like that right and

1138
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,500
they put that in his mind when he was

1139
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,240
looking at it but he just like didn't

1140
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:44,460
want to share it because he was he knew

1141
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,460
that he was going to be laughed at or he

1142
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,380
knew just how unlikely that would be to

1143
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:51,839
believe something like that so it just

1144
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:53,400
made me you know and I've heard that

1145
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:56,520
many many times but you know it makes

1146
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:58,140
you believe it even more when you get a

1147
00:44:02,329 --> 00:43:59,940
witness like that it's just so reluctant

1148
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,339
to to share that kind of stuff you know

1149
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:04,319
and let me mention one one more thing

1150
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,880
because

1151
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:07,680
you guys talked about that definitive

1152
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:09,240
piece of evidence photographic evidence

1153
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:10,740
then you'd mentioned the Phoenix Lights

1154
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:13,380
case well the first time

1155
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:16,260
I ever heard

1156
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:19,079
from apparently credible people about

1157
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:22,500
these alleged Men in Black

1158
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,500
I was doing

1159
00:44:29,770 --> 00:44:28,380
was it 50 years of denial or was it out

1160
00:44:32,809 --> 00:44:29,780
of the blue

1161
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,819
I can't remember but I did a couple

1162
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,520
films in the 90s I started let's see I

1163
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:36,960
did 50 years to denial which I think I

1164
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,980
started that one in like 94 95.

1165
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,200
yeah something like that and I started

1166
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,660
out of the blue in like 99 98.99

1167
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:48,480
probably 99 yeah

1168
00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:50,099
and uh

1169
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,859
I'm investigating this massive flyover

1170
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:54,839
of this big Boomerang shape craft

1171
00:45:00,290 --> 00:44:57,780
because my I well I'd heard about the

1172
00:45:01,490 --> 00:45:00,300
news but my my roommate at the time the

1173
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:01,500
guy that I told you about that just came

1174
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:04,020
to visit me in in uh Vermont my buddy

1175
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:05,099
Johnny

1176
00:45:13,309 --> 00:45:10,800
dad's next door neighbor was a pilot and

1177
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,319
they were having a barbecue like in 97

1178
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:16,560
or 98 and uh and somehow the

1179
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,940
conversation came up that like you know

1180
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:20,160
my my son's best friend they lived

1181
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:21,480
together they're doing a UFO talking

1182
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,180
about blah blah the the guy goes

1183
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:27,839
uh uh yeah I the the next door neighbor

1184
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,960
who's a pilot tells my friend's dad that

1185
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,119
this object Flew Over the you know the

1186
00:45:37,069 --> 00:45:35,040
state that was so big you know you could

1187
00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:37,079
land an airplane on it kind of thing so

1188
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:39,060
of course I went down to Phoenix and I

1189
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:40,980
started to investigate this case and I

1190
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:43,920
included those investigations in in

1191
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:46,200
um out of the blue well I got an

1192
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:48,420
interview with Francis barwood who was

1193
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,980
councilwoman at the time and she was one

1194
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:51,720
of the few government Representatives

1195
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,700
that was willing to speak up on the

1196
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:55,560
behalf of her constituents and people

1197
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:57,300
like hey let's let's get an

1198
00:46:01,849 --> 00:45:58,980
investigation of course she was lamb

1199
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,859
pasted over of the media and ridiculed

1200
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,420
and there were cartoons about her I mean

1201
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,480
they destroyed her and um

1202
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:09,119
she gets a phone call and I'm in I'm

1203
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,619
interviewing her and I'm looking into

1204
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,020
this whole thing at the time she gets a

1205
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:15,119
phone call from this guy and he goes uh

1206
00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:17,700
he goes hey I understand you're asking

1207
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:19,140
for witness more witness coming forward

1208
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:20,160
and you want to launch investigation

1209
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:23,339
blah blah uh I shot videotape of this

1210
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:26,520
craft because he's like I'm a I'm a I'm

1211
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:29,760
a veteran I I have scanners I listed the

1212
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,859
truckers on the radio and I'm also

1213
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,480
trying to get it I was trying to get a

1214
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,760
tape recording of the hail Bob Comet

1215
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:38,160
which was taking place during that time

1216
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,260
so he was on his roof with a tripod and

1217
00:46:43,609 --> 00:46:42,000
a video camera and he had his little

1218
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:43,619
scanner radio so he listened to truckers

1219
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:45,720
on Interstate 10 and he's up there and

1220
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,740
he's going to get a shot of the hail

1221
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:48,720
ball comment with this camera and his

1222
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:51,300
tripod and um

1223
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,880
he said he can hear the truckers on

1224
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:55,680
Interstate 10 talking about this massive

1225
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:57,420
Boomerang shaped craft he was picking it

1226
00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:00,420
up on his walkie-talkie things and so he

1227
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:02,040
was like holy crap this thing's like

1228
00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:04,140
flying right towards my house so he

1229
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:06,780
videotaped the craft with a camera all

1230
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:09,240
set up ready to go as this thing floated

1231
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:10,440
right over the top

1232
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:13,140
so he's like I got fast he goes I got

1233
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:14,700
excellent footage of this would you like

1234
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,380
to see it she goes yeah

1235
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,720
yeah so they make arrangements where

1236
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:20,400
he's going to drop it off at her office

1237
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:23,640
and I'm again I'm I'm investigating all

1238
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:25,500
this as it's happening I'm interviewing

1239
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,420
Francis barwood

1240
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:29,520
um and uh

1241
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:33,480
uh he doesn't show up at her house

1242
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:36,119
he doesn't show up at her office

1243
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:38,819
and I guess about a week goes by

1244
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:41,220
and he calls her

1245
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:43,140
and he says well hey what'd you think

1246
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:44,760
she goes what do you mean what did I

1247
00:47:47,930 --> 00:47:46,020
think you're supposed to drop it off of

1248
00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:47,940
my in my office

1249
00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:49,380
and he goes well

1250
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:52,859
well you showed up at my house people

1251
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,300
showed up in my house said they're from

1252
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:56,400
your office and I gave it to them

1253
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:57,900
she's like what are you talking about I

1254
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:59,819
didn't say anybody down to your I swear

1255
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:01,800
to God this is true I didn't include

1256
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:04,740
this in and out of the blue because I

1257
00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:07,760
just I just foreign

1258
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,900
terms with these so-called men and black

1259
00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:11,760
people I finally did in a moment of

1260
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,579
contact but in any case he said to her

1261
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:17,280
it was July at that point in July and

1262
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:19,560
Phoenix is very hot and it was in the

1263
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,780
early afternoon these guys came over in

1264
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:23,940
an unmarked government vehicle in black

1265
00:48:28,490 --> 00:48:25,980
suits so they showed up in their black

1266
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:28,500
suits and really hot out like he was

1267
00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:29,940
like this is really weird very

1268
00:48:33,950 --> 00:48:32,099
intimidating and all they said to him

1269
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:33,960
was we're from Francis bardwood's office

1270
00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:36,540
we're here to pick up the tape

1271
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:38,819
and he said he was like relieved that's

1272
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,200
all they wanted because he was kind of

1273
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:42,000
they were kind of spooky and there was

1274
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,619
something weird about their faces they

1275
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,780
just said the whole thing was weird so

1276
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:47,819
uh the only question they asked him is

1277
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:49,560
um did you make any copies and he said

1278
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:51,000
no they said great thank you so much and

1279
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:52,260
they left

1280
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:54,420
and that was it so that was the first

1281
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:56,280
time I'd heard a pretty credible report

1282
00:48:59,450 --> 00:48:58,200
on and I was kind of in the middle of it

1283
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:59,460
all because I was investigating this

1284
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:01,079
whole thing but I didn't include it now

1285
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:03,540
to the blue and I heard more accounts

1286
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,740
um from other people and I didn't

1287
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:06,240
include it didn't include it but then

1288
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:08,339
finally when I was in Brazil this time

1289
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:10,500
and the mother of those daughters that

1290
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:12,839
came with an eight to ten feet of this

1291
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:13,859
creature

1292
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:16,140
uh she had a visit from these men in

1293
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:17,700
black and she described how intimidating

1294
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:20,040
they were and then Carlos had a visit

1295
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:22,560
from these men in dark suits and I said

1296
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:23,579
you know what

1297
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:25,380
I'm going to include this in the film

1298
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:27,660
screw it and I might get judged I might

1299
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:29,940
get laughed at I might get who knows but

1300
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:33,119
this is not coming from me I've avoided

1301
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,339
this issue long enough and screw it I'm

1302
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:37,200
just going to put it out there and I did

1303
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,440
and so we'll see I

1304
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:42,240
I kind of feel like I'm

1305
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:43,980
you know pushing the envelope a little

1306
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:46,560
bit with with you know because I avoided

1307
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:48,599
Close Encounters of the Third Kind

1308
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:53,339
like the plague for 20 years 20 plus

1309
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:55,800
years you know I mean look at my first

1310
00:50:01,730 --> 00:49:58,380
couple pieces of work 50 years of denial

1311
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,740
I touched on Roswell okay true but that

1312
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:03,119
was because the 50th Anniversary was

1313
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:06,060
coming up yada yada but

1314
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:06,900
um

1315
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:08,579
out of the blue one and then I did

1316
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:10,740
another version of out of the blue two I

1317
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:12,060
had some pretty Sensational Close

1318
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,380
Encounters of the first and second kind

1319
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:15,839
not a mention of any Close Encounters of

1320
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:18,540
the Third Kind then I did I know what I

1321
00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:19,859
saw same deal

1322
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,380
didn't really go into it at all then I

1323
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:24,540
did the phenomenon and I was like all

1324
00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:26,280
right screw it I'm going all in on this

1325
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,440
one and then we did of course the Rua

1326
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:30,720
Zimbabwe case the Sakura New Mexico case

1327
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:33,780
we did uh one or two others that we

1328
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:37,380
touched on uh in France and and um

1329
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,060
what was that New Zealand or no uh Papua

1330
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,119
New Guinea we did that with Father Gill

1331
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:47,280
um in 58 I think it was but in any case

1332
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,140
and so now we're dealing with you know

1333
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:50,880
so now I'm pushing it again and I was

1334
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,339
terrified you know what was going to

1335
00:50:56,809 --> 00:50:55,200
happen with with the phenomenon all

1336
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:56,819
those high-level government officials I

1337
00:51:00,109 --> 00:50:57,660
had and they're going to be like taking

1338
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,119
out of this movie you've got a landing

1339
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:02,520
of a UFO at a school and all these kids

1340
00:51:05,809 --> 00:51:04,020
getting these telepathic message from

1341
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:05,819
these little beings take me out of this

1342
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:08,819
movie I was terrified I was losing sleep

1343
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,940
over it anyway the thing I found

1344
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,440
interesting you mentioned the mother of

1345
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,480
those two girls that saw the creature

1346
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,880
close up they offered her money it

1347
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:20,160
wasn't so much for her like like um

1348
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:21,839
Carlos got threatened and the military

1349
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:23,579
guys and all that but they are they're

1350
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,380
like we're gonna make you rich right now

1351
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,359
and she said no I'm not taking that

1352
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,800
because then I have to say my daughters

1353
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:30,720
are liars and I'm not willing to do that

1354
00:51:35,329 --> 00:51:33,059
so it wasn't really threat but it was

1355
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,339
they dangled a carrot you know and they

1356
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:37,319
really tried to get give her something

1357
00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:38,940
that she needed these people are poor

1358
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:40,859
right money would be very attractive and

1359
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,500
she still refused yeah she said they

1360
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,359
were very very persistent isn't that

1361
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:48,480
weird yeah so I just like I feel like

1362
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,040
you know

1363
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:52,079
uh

1364
00:51:55,549 --> 00:51:54,420
kind of putting my my reputation a

1365
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:55,559
little on the line but I just say to

1366
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:58,920
people look man don't like don't be too

1367
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:01,079
quick like I did and and immediately

1368
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:03,180
dismiss this case just because it's it

1369
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:04,920
sounds too unbelievable because I get it

1370
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:07,619
I felt the same way about it I had a

1371
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,420
really hard time even getting myself

1372
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,480
after 11 years of I knew about it to

1373
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:14,160
even look into it because I just thought

1374
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,859
there's just no way that something of

1375
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,240
that magnitude could happen and

1376
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,160
everybody not know about it it's

1377
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,640
impossible you know

1378
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:25,280
sometimes it reminds me a little bit of

1379
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,980
again I keep going back to this 19 1997

1380
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:30,720
case in Phoenix Arizona where this

1381
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:32,760
massive crap flew over I was

1382
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:36,119
interviewing some hospice workers that

1383
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:37,380
had

1384
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:41,339
it was like 6 30 in the afternoon in the

1385
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,800
early evening having tea outside and

1386
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:45,480
this thing flies over like a floating

1387
00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:46,319
city

1388
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:47,940
probably could have almost hit it with a

1389
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,900
rock

1390
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:50,400
pull over the top they said it took

1391
00:52:52,609 --> 00:52:51,900
several minutes to pass over the top of

1392
00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:52,619
them

1393
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,900
right and then they went right back to

1394
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:56,960
their team and I said

1395
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:00,300
I said well hold on a second wait a

1396
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:03,059
minute you guys didn't get up and run

1397
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,680
after this thing you didn't try to go

1398
00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:06,480
grab a camera like you didn't call

1399
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:08,339
anybody like what do you mean you just

1400
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:11,819
went back to having tea they said they

1401
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,500
looked up they all just looked up

1402
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:15,119
watched it for a couple minutes and then

1403
00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:16,740
they looked back down and they couldn't

1404
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:19,079
process it right yeah their brains just

1405
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:21,180
couldn't process so it was almost like

1406
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:23,400
it didn't happen

1407
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:25,500
and it seems like a lot of people are

1408
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:27,240
mentioning that that they see something

1409
00:53:31,210 --> 00:53:29,220
and it's as if nothing it wasn't a big

1410
00:53:34,370 --> 00:53:31,220
deal until they think about it later on

1411
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,380
part of it right process it it's like

1412
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:37,440
did that really happen yeah it's so far

1413
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:40,920
outside of their realm of reality that

1414
00:53:44,089 --> 00:53:42,359
like you don't even know how to process

1415
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:44,099
something like that can't possibly have

1416
00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:45,660
just happened you know what I mean yeah

1417
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,839
I read some place that forget about it

1418
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,119
when Columbus was approaching the

1419
00:53:55,069 --> 00:53:53,040
aboriginals didn't see his ships in the

1420
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:55,079
ocean for like weeks because they'd

1421
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:56,940
never seen a big Galleon like that they

1422
00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:59,160
didn't know such a thing existed and it

1423
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,619
was only when like spiritual leaders or

1424
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:03,420
people that they trusted said hey

1425
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,740
there's something out there that's what

1426
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,660
it looks like then they could start to

1427
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,640
see and make sense of it but literally

1428
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:11,040
it was invisible to them for a longer

1429
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,900
period of time than it would be for

1430
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:14,400
someone who had seen something like that

1431
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:15,480
before because they just couldn't

1432
00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:17,579
process what the hell could that

1433
00:54:22,190 --> 00:54:19,740
possibly be it must be weird waves or

1434
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,200
clouds or something you know yeah it's

1435
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,680
crazy right yeah it's just like there

1436
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:27,599
must be a filter in the brain that just

1437
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:31,020
like filters you know just it wants to

1438
00:54:34,910 --> 00:54:32,760
make sense of everything the brain has

1439
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,920
to compartmentalize yeah everything is

1440
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:37,200
good you know yeah you know I I

1441
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:38,760
interviewed this guy there's lots of

1442
00:54:43,370 --> 00:54:40,680
controversy around him although I do

1443
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:43,380
believe him despite of all all of it and

1444
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:46,680
that's uh uh Philip Corso he wrote a

1445
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:49,020
book called Roswell the day after yeah

1446
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,760
it was the forward was written by a

1447
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:52,319
senator

1448
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:54,660
um but anyway uh he said to me that he

1449
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,240
saw those little beans in a

1450
00:55:04,210 --> 00:54:59,760
um in a warehouse somewhere between

1451
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:04,220
Roswell and and on and uh uh right Pat

1452
00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:07,500
they were on Route and he said he opened

1453
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:09,180
up one of the things and he saw this

1454
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:11,460
little tiny you know the big eyes and

1455
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:13,260
this big head and the spindly arms like

1456
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:15,540
he goes you know I just I put it back in

1457
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:18,720
my head right here yeah I got it right

1458
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:20,099
here he Taps on the back of his head

1459
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,920
because you know how do you process

1460
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:24,420
something like that yeah what do you do

1461
00:55:28,370 --> 00:55:26,460
with that what do you do with that you

1462
00:55:30,829 --> 00:55:28,380
know go home to dinner and like you

1463
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:30,839
can't talk to your family about it honey

1464
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:32,579
oh you know

1465
00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:35,760
same old same old oh my God I know I

1466
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,559
don't know oh I just uh you know saw an

1467
00:55:42,770 --> 00:55:39,920
alien really no big deal yeah

1468
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:42,780
just another day of uh of work at the

1469
00:55:46,730 --> 00:55:45,180
good old U.S Air Force and again I'm

1470
00:55:48,589 --> 00:55:46,740
looking forward to them saying something

1471
00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:48,599
uh they've been way too quiet about this

1472
00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:51,480
for far too long but obviously if you

1473
00:55:55,069 --> 00:55:53,400
got that deeper secrets and you know

1474
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:55,079
you're mentioning in your documentary

1475
00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:57,420
that it was United States that loaded up

1476
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,400
these two little entities and took off

1477
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:01,440
and there's no trace of it in Canada

1478
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:03,300
that happened as well with Paul Hellyer

1479
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,920
there was a crash that happened here in

1480
00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:06,480
the United States showed up before he

1481
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:08,579
even had a chance to show up and he was

1482
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:09,900
the head of the defense for the whole

1483
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:12,180
country yeah what year what year was

1484
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:12,960
that

1485
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,700
oh 90s I believe 80s or 90s I think yeah

1486
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:20,160
but he said he arrived and that it was

1487
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:21,660
already taken care of the Americans were

1488
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,579
already there and yeah told there was

1489
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:25,200
nothing to see here go back home and

1490
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,460
this was the guy that was in charge of

1491
00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:29,040
the Canadian defense what what what part

1492
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:31,740
of Canada are you guys based on West

1493
00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:33,660
Coast British Columbia oh British

1494
00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:37,079
Columbia okay yeah beautiful part how

1495
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:39,780
far are you from Vermont

1496
00:56:45,049 --> 00:56:42,900
uh quite a distance away yeah yeah eight

1497
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:45,059
hours 11 hours

1498
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:46,680
we got to go through all of Washington

1499
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:49,260
first right

1500
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,380
yeah Vermont is uh closer to uh

1501
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:54,480
uh was that that's in the East right

1502
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,900
yeah Vermont yeah yeah Montreal so yeah

1503
00:57:01,450 --> 00:56:59,760
that takes a few days for for from our

1504
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:01,460
location yeah

1505
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:04,559
okay so I think I think we're um

1506
00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:05,940
uh

1507
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:08,819
oh God is it seven or eight hours from

1508
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:11,880
Toronto yeah that's my hometown I've

1509
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:13,800
only been to Canada once I'm so sorry to

1510
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:15,540
admit I want to go see more of Canada

1511
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,180
for some reason I just I you know just

1512
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:20,880
last year I went up to Canada and I

1513
00:57:24,790 --> 00:57:22,440
loved it up there and they're so funny

1514
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:24,800
like speaking French

1515
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:27,480
Jason's friend she's from uh well how

1516
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:29,940
far from Montreal was your hometown Jay

1517
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:33,240
uh yeah about eight hours uh born in my

1518
00:57:38,210 --> 00:57:34,920
two hours yeah it's about eight hours up

1519
00:57:40,130 --> 00:57:38,220
north yeah I wasn't even close eh fair

1520
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:40,140
enough close enough closer to Montreal

1521
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,540
than we are now

1522
00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:44,400
we can meet you in Niagara Falls James

1523
00:57:51,290 --> 00:57:46,859
anytime you want buddy well how How is

1524
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:56,410
um

1525
00:57:56,420 --> 00:58:15,309
uh foreign

1526
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:19,910
apparently your French is more realistic

1527
00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:22,140
from the old French

1528
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,119
you know what it's it's similar to

1529
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:26,339
saying like somebody from England as

1530
00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:27,900
opposed to somebody from you know let's

1531
00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:29,819
say the United States just the the

1532
00:58:33,650 --> 00:58:32,040
different accents there it's the same

1533
00:58:36,289 --> 00:58:33,660
thing between people from France and

1534
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:36,299
people from Quebec it's just you know

1535
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:38,099
it's the same language it's just spoke

1536
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:40,440
in Brazil and Virginia it's it's quite a

1537
00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:41,640
bit different from Continental

1538
00:58:46,010 --> 00:58:43,980
Portuguese like my dad used to have a

1539
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,020
friend from Spain and that man would

1540
00:58:49,970 --> 00:58:48,000
speak to him in pure Spanish and my dad

1541
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:49,980
would speak back in Portuguese but

1542
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,720
because they were bordering countries it

1543
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:53,520
was close enough in dialect they could

1544
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:56,700
understand each other oh but yeah

1545
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,260
Brazilian person speaking to someone

1546
00:59:02,329 --> 00:59:00,240
like me who grew up speaking English at

1547
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:02,339
home and I forget half the Portuguese I

1548
00:59:06,289 --> 00:59:04,260
ever knew I really have to like listen

1549
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:06,299
I'll pick up maybe one out of every

1550
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:08,700
eight or seven or eight words versus one

1551
00:59:21,609 --> 00:59:11,160
out of every three or four you know do

1552
00:59:21,619 --> 00:59:28,250
French tongue twisters

1553
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,170
yeah that's a good word to learn French

1554
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:32,640
is to start with the tongue twisters I

1555
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,339
start with the bad words myself yeah

1556
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,440
usually best way to learn any language

1557
00:59:41,569 --> 00:59:40,079
start with the bad ones Louie do you

1558
00:59:43,309 --> 00:59:41,579
have any final questions for uh James

1559
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:43,319
today I just want to extend a really

1560
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:45,180
warm uh welcome and thanks for being on

1561
00:59:48,829 --> 00:59:46,980
the show James again like I said uh

1562
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:48,839
pre-show we've been fans of you for a

1563
00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:50,700
long time we know a lot of people have I

1564
00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:51,960
know you probably get some people give

1565
00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:53,700
you a hard time write stupid comments we

1566
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:55,559
do too because it's such a polarizing

1567
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:57,660
subject but you really did a good job

1568
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,579
you took something that happened in 96

1569
01:00:04,130 --> 01:00:01,920
and you made it riveting and something

1570
01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:04,140
people want more info now and that's

1571
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,660
very hard to do and uh credit to you you

1572
01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:08,880
made it not opinionated you didn't have

1573
01:00:14,329 --> 01:00:11,819
a bias or a slant to it it's just here's

1574
01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:14,339
these people you know and it took you 11

1575
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:15,720
years to do it so it's almost like

1576
01:00:19,450 --> 01:00:17,339
begrudgingly you did it and you couldn't

1577
01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:19,460
turn a blind eye to the evidence anymore

1578
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,900
and uh credit to you for making it

1579
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:24,480
fact-based and on point we're big fans

1580
01:00:28,190 --> 01:00:26,040
and we highly recommend everybody should

1581
01:00:31,069 --> 01:00:28,200
check on moment of contact thank you

1582
01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:31,079
yeah let me just say one thing quickly I

1583
01:00:36,109 --> 01:00:33,960
get a lot of people asking me this

1584
01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:36,119
um if you rent if you rent moment of

1585
01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:38,579
contact do it from Amazon because it's

1586
01:00:45,049 --> 01:00:42,420
the cheapest but if you buy it it comes

1587
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:45,059
with two hours of bonus material on

1588
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:48,119
iTunes and Vimeo and people get they're

1589
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:49,740
like you didn't tell me about the bonus

1590
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,540
material and I said well gosh I know for

1591
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:54,000
some reason the platform Amazon they'll

1592
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,440
sell it to you for a couple dollars

1593
01:00:58,190 --> 01:00:57,119
cheaper basically you're paying the same

1594
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,200
amount but you don't get the bonus

1595
01:01:03,230 --> 01:01:00,720
material so if you purchase it do it

1596
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:03,240
from Vimeo or iTunes and you get for no

1597
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,700
extra cost you get two hours of a killer

1598
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:08,160
bonus footage so um and then also I was

1599
01:01:11,930 --> 01:01:09,480
gonna say if you guys wouldn't mind

1600
01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:11,940
taking a moment it really makes helps us

1601
01:01:17,569 --> 01:01:14,579
out with the algorithms is just you know

1602
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:17,579
rate the film on iTunes or or Amazon it

1603
01:01:21,470 --> 01:01:19,500
just take a moment it's very helpful for

1604
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,480
us hopefully you'll like it but even if

1605
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:24,000
you don't it it would be great if you um

1606
01:01:28,970 --> 01:01:25,740
could take the time your audience and do

1607
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:28,980
that for me for us absolutely we'll get

1608
01:01:33,710 --> 01:01:31,740
them to be uh clicking on that for sure

1609
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:33,720
James Fox so thank you so much for your

1610
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:36,180
time sir we appreciate your time and uh

1611
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,619
like I said when we found out that you

1612
01:01:41,150 --> 01:01:39,359
were coming on the podcast we were both

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very excited because like Louie

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mentioned we're both big fans it's just

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awesome to get to talk with people

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within the community that we've always

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been admiring you know we were on the

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couch not that long ago a couple of

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years ago admiring your work and other

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people now we get to talk to you guys

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that's crazy uh so we appreciate your

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time sir thank you so much for coming on

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uip studies thanks you guys I appreciate

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it I really do